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In this episode of The Art and Science of Complex Sales, Paul Fuller sits down with Rocky LaGrone, CEO of Sales Development Expert with more than 35 years of experience, to explore why sales is still one of the most misunderstood professions and what truly drives long-term performance.
Together, they unpack why sales fundamentals never change, how leadership directly shapes sales outcomes, and why developing people goes far beyond tools, training, or technology. Rocky shares powerful lessons from decades of working with thousands of sales professionals across hundreds of industries, focusing on purpose, belief, and accountability as the real drivers of sustainable growth.
Rocky explains why sales will always be rooted in trust, communication, and human psychology. While tools and processes matter, they only work when people are equipped to build trust, ask meaningful questions, and help buyers discover the real consequences of not changing.
Rocky breaks down why companies often jump to CRMs, training programs, or compensation changes instead of addressing leadership gaps. Without clear accountability, coaching, and reinforcement, even the best systems expose problems rather than fix them.
Rocky shares why real sales development starts with how people see themselves. Skills create short-term results, but changing beliefs creates lasting growth. Leaders who invest in helping salespeople think differently unlock performance beyond quotas and metrics.
Listen to the full conversation with Rocky LaGrone to discover how people-first leadership, timeless sales fundamentals, and belief-driven development can transform both sales results and lives.
Paul Fuller’s stated mission is to help others maximize their gifts by using his.
Paul has been a pioneer in the sales process and training, sales as a service, content marketing and CRM. As a previous founder and owner of multiple successful growth organizations in these spaces, Paul has effectively trained and led sales and marketing teams across the world to focus on and achieve dynamic growth.
He firmly believes sales is defined best in three categories:
• Service - helping other get what they need
• Leadership - guiding others toward their vision
• Wayfinding - navigating the path to success together
He is firmly committed to elevating the sales profession through coaching, leading, and empowering others through systems that enable strong performance.
Currently Paul leads revenue growth at Membrain.com - the top sales effectiveness CRM in the world. Working with his team, and a group of over 100 top sales consultant organizations across the globe, they are focused at creating scalable growth through sales excellence in companies and teams in over 80 countries.
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